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... mpetitior to SuperSU that I probably can't compete with.
When's my next vacation ?
Welcome back!!!!!!!Haters are funny
:( Competition prevents monopolies. Hint why ROM Manager had to update.
Let em hate, you stepped up when we needed it. I appreciate you sir, keep up the good work.
what "did" you do? and whos the competitor? did i miss smthng? :(
Thank you for all your effort I for one will continue to support SuperSU.
+Robert Schuh Koush, the CM dev is developing a new SU app, an open source one. He claims that there is no good open source application for SU. I'm not sure what "did he do", could you clarify +Chainfire ?
I don't know why all this happened, but I support all the Chainfire work, i think he's an amazing dev. I'm a newbie dev, so i hope someday i can develop as Chainfire does :P
Thanks for all your work!
To all wondering it's probably because carbon backup had some problems with supersu and the new competitor is from the maker of clockworkmod, it didn't release though
You guys do realize that none of these apps would exist without the initial work that +Koushik Dutta and a few others did back in the days of the G1, right? It's not like he is suddenly discovering this part of development. He wrote the first custom recoveries for Android.
+Martin Quintana thanks for pointing it out, recognized this but thought it would be based on existing solutions...
That would be Zinx, if my research is correct. Koush actually found the initial root exploit though. My poit was he is not new to this, as some people seem to think. And I did mention that Koush was part of a group that did the initial work.
+Drew Sanders He didn't write the "first" custom recoveries... That was somebody else ;-)
Koush was the first to identify that the RC29 images release from Google for the G1 had a fairly large root exploit. The RC29 image is akin to the modern day binaries and stock images Google provides for the Nexus line. The nomenclature for these builds (RC7, RC29, RC30, etc) indicate that they are fairly early Android builds (you'll have to confirm, but if memory serves me correct, these were all Android 1.1.x variants, ie not even named after a sweet dessert like Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, etc).
Koush discovered that any command that was typed into the keyboard on G1's running RC29 and older were treated as superuser commands. Essentially, if you installed a front end telnet apk onto a G1 with RC29 and executed a handful of commands, you had complete root access.
So, Koush provided the root mechanism and a barebones recovery image to allow you to flash non-Google zips (today, he is the owner/operator of Clockworkmod, the entity that provides recovery images for most Android devices). Next step was a custom recovery image with more abilities, and a ROM to go with it.
+Drew Sanders If anyone here implied that he was new to this, I certainly missed it. As for the exploit, if I recall correctly, he was actually pointed at it by Google engineers. But neither of these things really matter (to me, at least). There's a new competitor that will quite likely be better than Superuser, possibly as good as SuperSU, open sauce (if it was that big a problem I would've open sauced SuperSU probably), and I'd personally bet it'll become the default CM su very very quickly. So there goes the market ;) That's not a stab at anyone, but it does make me long back to my vacation where I didn't have to worry about anything ;)
+Robert Schuh I was accused of having an app pulled from XDA, and all fanboys of said app had my entire vacation time to hatemail me about it. I didn't have anything pulled though, wrong information.
+Chainfire Hey man listen to me, SuperSU is a brilliant piece of work. Everything is in the details, and I find the 'Grant/Deny Access' menu to be the most memorable part of the software (that, and, of course, the software is so well done that it becomes transparent):
App asks for root permission, menu appears
Me: Microsoft Vista UAC PTSD flash black when I see a menu asking for permission.
"Do you want SuperSU to ask for permission next time as well?"
Me: collapses from having mind blown
+Chainfire No offense meant, I run SuperSU personally, just trying to clarify facts.
On my Nexus 7 I'm running Super SU as it is since 4.2.1, And about the only one that works with it, currently on 4.2.2. As the other one I was using, I forget which one didn't work with 4.2.1. So I'm happy. Plus always the awesome stickmount app I use as well. Helps save space when I run Titanium Backups. Back it all up to an sd card.
I dont understand the Chainfire hate. You have given so much for the community.
So sending hatemails is the way to deal with things in a grown-up way...well than its bye bye CWM.. than I prefer dutch SuperSU.
This is no dis against Koush, but I happen to prefer SuperSU, and don't see myself switching.
+Chainfire , Do not give up so easily, SuperSU has something going for it that open sauce does not have yet: the loyalty of (millions?) of users. Use this as a weapon to keep SuperSU on top.
Many people, myself included run TWRP instead of CWM. Koush makes good stuff, but that doesn't automatically wipe out the competition.
regardless if i end up switching or not, i appreciate the work you have done and already purchased your pro version (as i have for some of the other apps you made). I think the competition is good in the long run.
don't know about the hatemail thing, but yeah that sucks and hope that stops.
Chainfire deserves approval, haters grow up please...
SuperSU FTW! Best invested money ever. Thanks +Chainfire
Keep on rocking +Chainfire don't let he haters bring you down, they are just doing what haters do. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have the best SuperSU app for my phone. And who cares what CM is trying to do, that's just one ROM team. I don't even use CM, so us non-COM users would be lost without you. Just brush the dirt off your shoulder ;)
+Drew Sanders It's dangerous to set facts when you weren't around at the time yourself... Maybe I was just dreaming when I made custom recoveries based on Jesusfreke and Cyanogen's recovery sources months before CWM recoveries were released... at least I don't remember any references to koush's source in JF's recovery source.
I agree with +James Mason. I've used 3 different recoveries now and I think I ended up contributing for all of them. CWM was the first and it was perfectly usable even without touch. When it wouldn't properly mount my SD Card and would only backup to internal SD was the too much and I banished it from all my devices. So don't put TOO much stock in hordes of CWM devotees. I have converted everything to TWRP and love every little thing about it. It would be very hard to get me to change.
On the SuperSU front -- I don't mean to insult your work by any means! But to me it is just a utility to get to root. It does everything I need it to do (and more) flawlessly. Open source SU is a complete non-starter for me. I trust you and couldn't care less about seeing the source. Like I said, it's a utility that gets my work done for me. As background I'm a professional programmer not a random noob. But as such I know when I need to delve into the source and when I can "fry bigger fish".
You've been one of the biggest contributors to the Android community and anyone who tries to take away from your accomplishments is someone for whom I will preemptively judge as not worth my while.
I don't care if it is closed source or not. It just works mmkay?
Nobody cares about the haters. Don't let them mess with your mojo.
I've tried Superuser and I've even paid for it, and SuperSU delivers better than Superuser does.
So true! I switched to CWM from +Amon RA just cause the UI !
+Zazie Lavender SuperSU makes Superuser look like Windows Millennium Edition.
I love my little caped android won't switch
The main issue is once something is built in people are not going to need to download his and that's a problem. Like ie being packaged...
+Jeroen Fleer Just to clarify: the hatemail and the new Superuser app / CWM are not related other than I both noticed them today.
+Leonardo Gandini I actually tried that a couple of times years ago, and was told in no uncertain terms to f* off. I'll not go into all the details of the various "conversations", but you can safely say there will never be any cooperation between the two of us. I used to have respect, now I have only regrets about not releasing (out of respect, no less) some competing apps in the past I was literally begged for.
Heck, for a long time I didn't even want to release SuperSU - I only did so because Superuser really stopped working in a number of circumstances that were driving me nuts and costing me real time. But that's back when I thought about the Android community, not the Android competition.
+SliQ S It was a bootloader, not a kernel, and it was not "his"... It was a dev leak which he distributed.
+Kaprina Steward doesn't this one ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644 ) work anymore ? Retry it. If after seeing the red Android on screen it still doesn't work, open Play and un/re-install SuperSU, and reboot.
+Chainfire OK thanks for your explanation! But I've made up my mind no more .... Please keep rocking!!! BTW rommanager started to fall apart anyways for some reason couldn't backup anymore...hmmm could that be related to so cald carbon app... I wonder...
Who hates you man. Ur like the guru for us.
I really don't care about the competition coz or apps are d best
Heavy is the head that wears the crown...
+Chainfire you had to step up, superuser hasn't been updated since 1972.lol
Supersu is a great alternative since you added the ability to survive flashes. Besides, anytime anyone brings something valid to the table, jealousy and hate are sure to follow. Consider it a compliment to your genius.
This is bad times for the Android community really +Chainfire your work is without question outstanding and so is cwm think your just going have to pull out the big guns and make carbon app. Lol but if u do please call it carbon 2.0 or supercarbon. :-)
Btw mobile Odin pro is like actually the best app ever made if u have a samsung. ...like ever if anyone reading this hasn't tried it its pretty mind blowing.
Competition drives innovation forward: stay focused, keep pushing forward and don't mind haters/drama/all that jazz :-)
Keep doing your thing man... they may be in competition, but they don't necessarily know what you know!
TWRP wrecked CWR and +Koushik Dutta wallet I am sure. Mostly because CWR fell behind.
SuperSU wrecked Superuser because that fell behind. I am sure +Chainfire made some pocket change on that.
I think open source doesn't always push innovation. Capitalism pushes people.
I am sure +Koushik Dutta makes tons of money on apps and such considering he was interesting in hiring a helper.
Deep down I feel like its a little unfair to see someone's hard work get diluted by something free.
+Koushik Dutta did some great stuff with Carbon. Titanium Backup peeps have gotten lazy. Carbon seems like it's something they should have built into TB.
Well, either way, I hope I can sneak in a trip to Egypt sometime this year ;-)
Sorry... Did an edit on my above post.
Supersu is an outstanding app. Thank you for all your effort! Don't care of the haters.
I love your su app. I'm sticking with it no matter what.
Man we love your apps and work. Forget them.
when people hate on you it really means they envy you. keep doing what your doing
SuperSU has been my preferred app consistently. Like others on this thread, I used to use CWM Recovery, but ran into some serious issues with it last year, such as nandroids that couldn't be restored, and a backup directory that couldn't be deleted even with superuser permissions. I found these really disheartening and this motivated me to try out TWRP. I keep an eye on CWMR, but frankly I appreciate the TWRP approach much more. Point is: just because a dev may have a big following doesn't mean that his/her software is the best. It's tough to challenge an entrenched vendor or developer, but quality and user experience speak volumes, and it's definitely possible to challenge the status quo. Please keep up the great work and contributions to the community. Thanks!
+Chainfire SuperSU is the best and not likely to lose a loyal following. TWRP is enjoying a huge success against CWM so Koush has competition. Carbon is just taking off, but will it take over Titanium Backup? I doubt it because TiBu is tried and tested and an old faithful for so many, most of whom haven't even heard of Carbon. So he's developing a new superuser, so what? I think you have more of a loyal following than you think and shouldn't bother with concerns over competition. Start planning your trip to Egypt! ;)
supersu will be installed on all my roms/devices...
I have my cwm manager and cwm mod from chainfire, I have my supersu from chainfire, I have my su binary from chainfire... why should I switch? Everything works together perfectly and if not there is one person (Chainfire) to contact to get the issue solved :)
The actual su itself is open source isn't it? All that's not is the manager right? Nothing too offensive about that. A purist could still install su manually and it would still work, just no manager to grant/deny permissions.
I won't switch unless there is a good reason to.
You are the Nº 1 ...
Lol. With that sense of humor, you don't have to worry about competition. But let me know when you do go on vacation again so I can make a few bucks. What are you worried about? Crap. I already bought SuperSU. Probably when you were on vacation. If anyone got blamed for anything this week, I figured it would have been ChainsDD.
Open source is typically a means to an end and seldom viable as a sustained consumer product. Add to that the difference in cost in this market is a matter of pennies, you have nothing to worry about. That is, until I patent the very concept of SU and become a patent troll. I will sue everyone, including the free ones. In case you are on one of your little vacations when I do this, I'll need the address of your legal team for my patent attorneys - once I have them. Patent attorneys, I mean. Once I have patent attorneys. Thanks.
+Chainfire Mate, anyone who could have the root exploit ready and waiting for me when I bought my S3 on release day gets my undying loyalty. I have most of your apps and love your work. As for the haters... post a clarification, ask for an apology and move on, they aren't worth the effort - let your work speak for you.
Oh, and take that trip to Egypt... it'll be a truly extraordinary experience. Giza is amazing, you have to see the Valley of the Kings and Queens, Thebes is stunning and Abu Simbel is simply fascinating on both the ancient and modern level - to move that entire complex... in the sixties... unreal!
+Joshua Hale +Mike Notmike Yeah can't wait to go there. Been on my list for a long time. Actually had a trip booked that week the 'revolution' broke out ... been waiting for it to calm down. Of course you could've gone to most of Egypt the past year or so already, but if I'm there anyway I also want to see Cairo and the Pyramids, so... They say it's calm enough now - I hope that's true.
Not only is SuperSU awesome, I have mass respect for Chainfire just for being a great dev. Helping +Adam Outler with his Note 2 screen was a class act, and I immediately purchased SuperSU in support. Stay awesome!
+Chainfire We were fortunate enough to go out there in '89/90. There have been some newer discoveries since then that we'd love to see but... mate you'll love it. Tutankhamun's funeral mask is truly hypnotic! Just make sure to take plenty of storage for photo's - we came back with 23 rolls of 38 exposure (pre-digital, cost a small fortune to process!). Bloody amazing... the place, and the people.
You make a great work bro please don't stop this!!!!! ;)
Who's the competitor?
Galaxy Nexus - PA 3+ - SuperSU - 'nuff said.
+Chainfire go to laos mate... I'll sort you out...
The thing about opensourcing is that any good forks can be easilly merged back
Screw those Haters man. Glad to have you back! Well rested and full of renewed creative genius, I hope. Saw the updates in PlayStore earlier today and KNEW your "vacation" must have come to an all-too abrupt end. And...competitor?? Do tell. (We'll grab 'em and bag 'em in a back alley after dark for ya!)