Returning from vacation to find a lot of hatemail about something I didn't even do; and a new co ...
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... mpetitior to SuperSU that I probably can't compete with.

When's my next vacation ?

Anguish IV commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:27:

Welcome back!!!!!!!Haters are funny

Martin Quintana commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:27:
Connor Tumbleson commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:28:

:( Competition prevents monopolies. Hint why ROM Manager had to update.

Josh Correll commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:28:

Let em hate, you stepped up when we needed it. I appreciate you sir, keep up the good work.

Robert Schuh commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:29:

what "did" you do? and whos the competitor? did i miss smthng? :(

John Fesler commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:32:

Thank you for all your effort I for one will continue to support SuperSU.

Tim KH commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:33:

+Chainfire ill always back you bro

Martin Quintana commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:38:

+Robert Schuh Koush, the CM dev is developing a new SU app, an open source one. He claims that there is no good open source application for SU. I'm not sure what "did he do", could you clarify +Chainfire ?

I don't know why all this happened, but I support all the Chainfire work, i think he's an amazing dev. I'm a newbie dev, so i hope someday i can develop as Chainfire does :P

Thanks for all your work!

Daniel Carmo commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:39:

To all wondering it's probably because carbon backup had some problems with supersu and the new competitor is from the maker of clockworkmod, it didn't release though

Drew Sanders commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:43:

You guys do realize that none of these apps would exist without the initial work that +Koushik Dutta and a few others did back in the days of the G1, right? It's not like he is suddenly discovering this part of development. He wrote the first custom recoveries for Android.

Robert Schuh commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:43:

+Martin Quintana thanks for pointing it out, recognized this but thought it would be based on existing solutions...

Jeremy Meiss commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:54:

+Drew Sanders it is actually +Adam Shanks who did the original SU work if I recall correctly. We're not talking recoveries.

Josh Correll commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:55:

+Jeremy Meiss wrong do some research

Griff Ferrell commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:56:

Wasn't the original CM su author +Koushik Dutta 

Drew Sanders commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:56:

That would be Zinx, if my research is correct. Koush actually found the initial root exploit though. My poit was he is not new to this, as some people seem to think. And I did mention that Koush was part of a group that did the initial work.

Amon RA commented on 2013-02-18 at 16:58:

+Drew Sanders He didn't write the "first" custom recoveries... That was somebody else ;-)

Drew Sanders commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:01:

+Amon RA +Jeremy Meiss Directly from the mouth of Devkota.

Koush was the first to identify that the RC29 images release from Google for the G1 had a fairly large root exploit. The RC29 image is akin to the modern day binaries and stock images Google provides for the Nexus line. The nomenclature for these builds (RC7, RC29, RC30, etc) indicate that they are fairly early Android builds (you'll have to confirm, but if memory serves me correct, these were all Android 1.1.x variants, ie not even named after a sweet dessert like Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, etc). 

Koush discovered that any command that was typed into the keyboard on G1's running RC29 and older were treated as superuser commands. Essentially, if you installed a front end telnet apk onto a G1 with RC29 and executed a handful of commands, you had complete root access. 

So, Koush provided the root mechanism and a barebones recovery image to allow you to flash non-Google zips (today, he is the owner/operator of Clockworkmod, the entity that provides recovery images for most Android devices). Next step was a custom recovery image with more abilities, and a ROM to go with it. 

Chainfire commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:03:

+Drew Sanders If anyone here implied that he was new to this, I certainly missed it. As for the exploit, if I recall correctly, he was actually pointed at it by Google engineers. But neither of these things really matter (to me, at least). There's a new competitor that will quite likely be better than Superuser, possibly as good as SuperSU, open sauce (if it was that big a problem I would've open sauced SuperSU probably), and I'd personally bet it'll become the default CM su very very quickly. So there goes the market ;) That's not a stab at anyone, but it does make me long back to my vacation where I didn't have to worry about anything ;)

+Robert Schuh I was accused of having an app pulled from XDA, and all fanboys of said app had my entire vacation time to hatemail me about it. I didn't have anything pulled though, wrong information.

Timothy Pleines commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:05:

+Chainfire Hey man listen to me, SuperSU is a brilliant piece of work. Everything is in the details, and I find the 'Grant/Deny Access' menu to be the most memorable part of the software (that, and, of course, the software is so well done that it becomes transparent):

App asks for root permission, menu appears

Me: Microsoft Vista UAC PTSD flash black when I see a menu asking for permission.

Checkbox, unchecked

"Do you want SuperSU to ask for permission next time as well?"

Me: collapses from having mind blown

Drew Sanders commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:07:

+Chainfire No offense meant, I run SuperSU personally, just trying to clarify facts.

Phil K commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:08:

On my Nexus 7 I'm running Super SU as it is since 4.2.1, And about the only one that works with it, currently on 4.2.2. As the other one I was using, I forget which one didn't work with 4.2.1.  So I'm happy. Plus always the awesome stickmount app I use as well. Helps save space when I run Titanium Backups.  Back it all up to an sd card.

Gary Parks commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:09:

I dont understand the Chainfire hate. You have given so much for the community.

FR 1975 commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:09:

So sending hatemails is the way to deal with things in a grown-up way...well than its bye bye CWM.. than I prefer dutch SuperSU. 

James Mason commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:11:

This is no dis against Koush, but I happen to prefer SuperSU, and don't see myself switching.

Timothy Pleines commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:13:

+Chainfire , Do not give up so easily, SuperSU has something going for it that open sauce does not have yet: the loyalty of (millions?) of users. Use this as a weapon to keep SuperSU on top.

James Mason commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:17:

Many people, myself included run TWRP instead of CWM. Koush makes good stuff, but that doesn't automatically wipe out the competition.

Andres Huertas commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:21:

regardless if i end up switching or not, i appreciate the work you have done and already purchased your pro version (as i have for some of the other apps you made). I think the competition is good in the long run.

don't know about the hatemail thing, but yeah that sucks and hope that stops.

robert guda commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:22:

Chainfire deserves approval, haters grow up please...

Ādi-Kartā Dāsa commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:24:

SuperSU FTW! Best invested money ever. Thanks +Chainfire

Leonardo Gandini commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:25:

And what about something like: "Hi +Koushik Dutta , I'm +Chainfire , where're both great developers for #android  community, how about COLLABORATE on something spectacular and never seen before? " This is what I'd like to see!!

The Doctor commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:28:

Keep on rocking +Chainfire don't let he haters bring you down, they are just doing what haters do.  If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have the best SuperSU app for my phone.  And who cares what CM is trying to do, that's just one ROM team.  I don't even use CM, so us non-COM users would be lost without you.  Just brush the dirt off your shoulder ;) 

Amon RA commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:29:

+Drew Sanders It's dangerous to set facts when you weren't around at the time yourself... Maybe I was just dreaming when I made custom recoveries based on Jesusfreke and Cyanogen's recovery sources months before CWM recoveries were released... at least I don't remember any references to koush's source in JF's recovery source.

Terry Hutchinson commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:31:

I agree with +James Mason.  I've used 3 different recoveries now and I think I ended up contributing for all of them. CWM was the first and it was perfectly usable even without touch.  When it wouldn't properly mount my SD Card and would only backup to internal SD was the too much and I banished it from all my devices.  So don't put TOO much stock in hordes of CWM devotees.  I have converted everything to TWRP and love every little thing about it.  It would be very hard to get me to change.

On the SuperSU front -- I don't mean to insult your work by any means! But to me it is just a utility to get to root.  It does everything I need it to do (and more) flawlessly.  Open source SU is a complete non-starter for me. I trust you and couldn't care less about seeing the source.  Like I said, it's a utility that gets my work done for me.  As background I'm a professional programmer not a random noob.  But as such I know when I need to delve into the source and when I can "fry bigger fish".

You've been one of the biggest contributors to the Android community and anyone who tries to take away from your accomplishments is someone for whom I will preemptively judge as not worth my while. 

Melody Concerto commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:33:

I don't care if it is closed source or not. It just works mmkay?

Nobody cares about the haters. Don't let them mess with your mojo.

I've tried Superuser and I've even paid for it, and SuperSU delivers better than Superuser does.

Leonardo Gandini commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:34:

So true! I switched to CWM from +Amon RA just cause the UI !

Timothy Pleines commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:37:

+Zazie Lavender SuperSU makes Superuser look like Windows Millennium Edition.

Richard Cabrera commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:43:

I love my little caped android won't switch

BarZ aTTacKs commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:52:

The main issue is once something is built in people are not going to need to download his and that's a problem. Like ie being packaged...

Chainfire commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:56:

+Jeroen Fleer Just to clarify: the hatemail and the new Superuser app / CWM are not related other than I both noticed them today.

+Leonardo Gandini I actually tried that a couple of times years ago, and was told in no uncertain terms to f* off. I'll not go into all the details of the various "conversations", but you can safely say there will never be any cooperation between the two of us. I used to have respect, now I have only regrets about not releasing (out of respect, no less) some competing apps in the past I was literally begged for.

Heck, for a long time I didn't even want to release SuperSU - I only did so because Superuser really stopped working in a number of circumstances that were driving me nuts and costing me real time. But that's back when I thought about the Android community, not the Android competition.

Amon RA commented on 2013-02-18 at 17:57:

+SliQ S It was a bootloader, not a kernel, and it was not "his"... It was a dev leak which he distributed.

Chainfire commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:05:

+Kaprina Steward doesn't this one ( ) work anymore ? Retry it. If after seeing the red Android on screen it still doesn't work, open Play and un/re-install SuperSU, and reboot.

FR 1975 commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:09:

+Chainfire OK thanks for your explanation! But I've made up my mind no more .... Please keep rocking!!! BTW rommanager started to fall apart anyways for some reason couldn't backup anymore...hmmm could that be related to so cald carbon app... I wonder...

Anurag Bhandare commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:23:

Who hates you man. Ur like the guru for us.

Anurag Bhandare commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:23:

I really don't care about the competition coz or apps are d best

Josh Correll commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:24:

Heavy is the head that wears the crown...

+Chainfire you had to step up, superuser hasn't been updated since

Supersu is a great alternative since you added the ability to survive flashes. Besides, anytime anyone brings something valid to the table, jealousy and hate are sure to follow. Consider it a compliment to your genius.

Samuel Adjepong commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:26:

This is bad times for the Android community really +Chainfire your work is without question outstanding and so is cwm think your just going have to pull out the big guns and make carbon app. Lol but if u do please call it carbon 2.0 or supercarbon. :-)

Leonardo Gandini commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:27:

+Chainfire Undesrtood! I know that Koush attitude is not.... so great... :( anyway keep working on #SuperSU  !!

Samuel Adjepong commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:29:

Btw mobile Odin pro is like actually the best app ever made if u have a samsung. ever if anyone reading this hasn't tried it its pretty mind blowing.

Matteo Panella commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:34:

Competition drives innovation forward: stay focused, keep pushing forward and don't mind haters/drama/all that jazz :-)

Michael Dunning commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:37:

Keep doing your thing man... they may be in competition, but they don't necessarily know what you know!

Christopher Cote commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:40:

TWRP wrecked CWR and +Koushik Dutta wallet I am sure. Mostly because CWR fell behind.

SuperSU wrecked Superuser because that fell behind. I am sure +Chainfire made some pocket change on that.

I think open source doesn't always push innovation. Capitalism pushes people.

I am sure +Koushik Dutta makes tons of money on apps and such considering he was interesting in hiring a helper.

I am sure +Chainfire does not have the amount and size of revenue streams of +Koushik Dutta has.

Deep down I feel like its a little unfair to see someone's hard work get diluted by something free.

+Koushik Dutta did some great stuff with Carbon. Titanium Backup peeps have gotten lazy. Carbon seems like it's something they should have built into TB. 

Chainfire commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:48:

Well, either way, I hope I can sneak in a trip to Egypt sometime this year ;-)

Christopher Cote commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:50:

Sorry... Did an edit on my above post.

Stefania Poggi commented on 2013-02-18 at 18:59:

Supersu is an outstanding app. Thank you for all your effort! Don't care of the haters.

Asher Powers commented on 2013-02-18 at 19:03:

I love your su app. I'm sticking with it no matter what.

Ferhat Bülbül commented on 2013-02-18 at 19:34:

Man we love your apps and work. Forget them.

Freddie hinton commented on 2013-02-18 at 19:39:

when people hate on you it really means they envy you. keep doing what your doing

Jonathan Strong commented on 2013-02-18 at 19:39:

SuperSU has been my preferred app consistently. Like others on this thread, I used to use CWM Recovery, but ran into some serious issues with it last year, such as nandroids that couldn't be restored, and a backup directory that couldn't be deleted even with superuser permissions. I found these really disheartening and this motivated me to try out TWRP. I keep an eye on CWMR, but frankly I appreciate the TWRP approach much more. Point is: just because a dev may have a big following doesn't mean that his/her software is the best. It's tough to challenge an entrenched vendor or developer, but quality and user experience speak volumes, and it's definitely possible to challenge the status quo. Please keep up the great work and contributions to the community. Thanks!

Brigitte Ogilvie commented on 2013-02-18 at 19:50:

+Chainfire SuperSU is the best and not likely to lose a loyal following. TWRP is enjoying a huge success against CWM so Koush has competition. Carbon is just taking off, but will it take over Titanium Backup? I doubt it because TiBu is tried and tested and an old faithful for so many, most of whom haven't even heard of Carbon. So he's developing a new superuser, so what? I think you have more of a loyal following than you think and shouldn't bother with concerns over competition. Start planning your trip to Egypt! ;)

Markus Schuckert commented on 2013-02-18 at 21:51:

supersu will be installed on all my roms/devices...

I have my cwm manager and cwm mod from chainfire, I have my supersu from chainfire, I have my su binary from chainfire... why should I switch? Everything works together perfectly and if not there is one person (Chainfire) to contact to get the issue solved :)

Paul commented on 2013-02-18 at 22:06:

It would be interesting to see +Chainfire open source #SuperSU though.

Michael P. Odegard commented on 2013-02-18 at 22:12:

+Paul W Why would he? Even +Koushik Dutta has apps that are not open sourced, so he can make money on them.  I like the work from both of them, and buy their apps.  Quality stuff, well worth the small cost.

Brian White commented on 2013-02-18 at 22:15:

The actual su itself is open source isn't it? All that's not is the manager right? Nothing too offensive about that. A purist could still install su manually and it would still work, just no manager to grant/deny permissions.

Joshua Riggs commented on 2013-02-18 at 23:31:

I won't switch unless there is a good reason to.

zé belchior commented on 2013-02-18 at 23:58:

You are the Nº 1 ...

Paul commented on 2013-02-19 at 00:13:

+Michael P. Odegard apparently #superuser will be open source and feature no pro or elite version. As I said, it would be interesting, if both are open source, what's to stop #SuperSU shipping with #CyanogenMod?

Michael Hannigan commented on 2013-02-19 at 02:49:

Lol. With that sense of humor, you don't have to worry about competition. But let me know when you do go on vacation again so I can make a few bucks. What are you worried about? Crap. I already bought SuperSU. Probably when you were on vacation. If anyone got blamed for anything this week, I figured it would have been ChainsDD.

Michael Hannigan commented on 2013-02-19 at 03:28:

Open source is typically a means to an end and seldom viable as a sustained consumer product. Add to that the difference in cost in this market is a matter of pennies, you have nothing to worry about. That is, until I patent the very concept of SU and become a patent troll. I will sue everyone, including the free ones. In case you are on one of your little vacations when I do this, I'll need the address of your legal team for my patent attorneys - once I have them. Patent attorneys, I mean. Once I have patent attorneys. Thanks.

Mike N commented on 2013-02-19 at 04:38:

+Chainfire  Mate, anyone who could have the root exploit ready and waiting for me when I bought my S3 on release day gets my undying loyalty.  I have most of your apps and love your work.  As for the haters... post a clarification, ask for an apology and move on, they aren't worth the effort - let your work speak for you.  

Oh, and take that trip to Egypt... it'll be a truly extraordinary experience.  Giza is amazing, you have to see the Valley of the Kings and Queens, Thebes is stunning and Abu Simbel is simply fascinating on both the ancient and modern level - to move that entire complex... in the sixties... unreal!

Chainfire commented on 2013-02-19 at 07:27:

+Joshua Hale +Mike Notmike Yeah can't wait to go there. Been on my list for a long time. Actually had a trip booked that week the 'revolution' broke out ... been waiting for it to calm down. Of course you could've gone to most of Egypt the past year or so already, but if I'm there anyway I also want to see Cairo and the Pyramids, so... They say it's calm enough now - I hope that's true.

Nathan D commented on 2013-02-19 at 08:10:

Not only is SuperSU awesome, I have mass respect for Chainfire just for being a great dev. Helping +Adam Outler with his Note 2 screen was a class act, and I immediately purchased SuperSU in support. Stay awesome!

Mike N commented on 2013-02-19 at 08:25:

+Chainfire We were fortunate enough to go out there in '89/90.  There have been some newer discoveries since then that we'd love to see but... mate you'll love it.  Tutankhamun's funeral mask is truly hypnotic!  Just make sure to take plenty of storage for photo's - we came back with 23 rolls of 38 exposure (pre-digital, cost a small fortune to process!).  Bloody amazing... the place, and the people.

Moglie Hamburg commented on 2013-02-19 at 12:28:

You make a great work bro please don't stop this!!!!! ;)

Daiyan Dabhoiwala commented on 2013-02-19 at 17:19:

Who's the competitor?

Abimael commented on 2013-02-19 at 17:48:

Galaxy Nexus - PA 3+ - SuperSU - 'nuff said.

reynaldo bonifacio commented on 2013-02-20 at 15:15:

+Chainfire go to laos mate... I'll sort you out...

Douglas Dunn commented on 2013-02-22 at 04:05:

The thing about opensourcing is that any good forks can be easilly merged back

Brendon Foley commented on 2013-02-24 at 05:05:

Screw those Haters man. Glad to have you back! Well rested and full of renewed creative genius, I hope. Saw the updates in PlayStore earlier today and KNEW your "vacation" must have come to an all-too abrupt end. And...competitor?? Do tell. (We'll grab 'em and bag 'em in a back alley after dark for ya!)

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